Comments on: Coffee, Chocolate, and Cream http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/ Et ignotas animum dimittit in artes Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ping of Recognition: Faces on Covers | Uncreated Conscience http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1113 Ping of Recognition: Faces on Covers | Uncreated Conscience Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:47:31 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1113 [...] Coffee, Chocolate, and Cream: Describing race. [...] [...] Coffee, Chocolate, and Cream: Describing race. [...]

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]]> By: Amy Jane (Untangling Tales) http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1106 Amy Jane (Untangling Tales) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:08:00 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1106 re: race in fantasy-- My WIP has a bi-racial marriage that I wonder if anyone will notice is bi-racial. Granted my description is tied to a very awkward construction about "the only one with a complexion that would survive the hotlands" or something like that. (It's not right in front of me.) I have a grey-skinned "man," but I think he's the only one whose skin color I actually name. Anyone else I specify hair and eye color in context of the action. It seems to me skin color is only mentioned IRL when it surprises you, so to naturalize a variety of races imeans minimizing the details noted about them (essentially what JKR did). re: race in fantasy–

My WIP has a bi-racial marriage that I wonder if anyone will notice is bi-racial.

Granted my description is tied to a very awkward construction about “the only one with a complexion that would survive the hotlands” or something like that. (It’s not right in front of me.)

I have a grey-skinned “man,” but I think he’s the only one whose skin color I actually name. Anyone else I specify hair and eye color in context of the action.

It seems to me skin color is only mentioned IRL when it surprises you, so to naturalize a variety of races imeans minimizing the details noted about them (essentially what JKR did).

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]]> By: Suelder http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1105 Suelder Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:01:19 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1105 Loved Earthsea! And sometimes it's easier to explore the idea of the outsider in a fantasy world. Less loaded. Loved Earthsea!

And sometimes it’s easier to explore the idea of the outsider in a fantasy world. Less loaded.

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]]> By: salmakia http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1101 salmakia Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:39:32 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1101 In British English a nappy is most definitely what you call a diaper... I'd be interested if anyone had any idea how it's come to mean "curly-headed" in American English! In British English a nappy is most definitely what you call a diaper…

I’d be interested if anyone had any idea how it’s come to mean “curly-headed” in American English!

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]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1099 uberVU - social comments Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:34:49 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1099 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by sjaejones: My thoughts on describing race in fiction: http://ow.ly/1gj4l Plus, a writing challenge! Describe the way I look in the comments.... Social comments and analytics for this post…

This post was mentioned on Twitter by sjaejones: My thoughts on describing race in fiction: http://ow.ly/1gj4l Plus, a writing challenge! Describe the way I look in the comments….

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]]> By: JJ http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1098 JJ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:27:02 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1098 Oh god, I never would. I hate food analogies. They're so tired. Oh god, I never would. I hate food analogies. They’re so tired.

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]]> By: Najela http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1097 Najela Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:10:54 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1097 Yeah, I saw your post above. =) I like that Justine is pretty straightforward with her description of race, but like you mentioned, she is a compulsive liar. lol I wonder if they kept the "nap gene" for other editions. I've heard of American publishers or editors asking authors to put in descriptions like that. I can't remember who it was, but an author mentioned that someone had asked them to put in the food analogies (mocha colored skin and almond shaped eyes). Yeah, I saw your post above. =) I like that Justine is pretty straightforward with her description of race, but like you mentioned, she is a compulsive liar. lol I wonder if they kept the “nap gene” for other editions.

I’ve heard of American publishers or editors asking authors to put in descriptions like that. I can’t remember who it was, but an author mentioned that someone had asked them to put in the food analogies (mocha colored skin and almond shaped eyes).

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]]> By: JJ http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1096 JJ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:54:09 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1096 I read the ARC of LIAR and she doesn't clearly state she's black until a few "sections" in (i.e. NOT RIGHT OFF THE BAT). I also think "nap gene" got changed to "nappy hair" in before final production. I read the ARC of LIAR and she doesn’t clearly state she’s black until a few “sections” in (i.e. NOT RIGHT OFF THE BAT). I also think “nap gene” got changed to “nappy hair” in before final production.

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]]> By: Najela http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1095 Najela Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:42:03 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1095 I think in Liar she pretty much states that she's Black with nappy hair that she wears short and natural. I think it's appropriate, at least for me, because that's how I would describe my hair as well. Curly is something I'd say to someone who doesn't know what nappy is. Apparently nappy in British means a diaper. Thank you for this post. I've been struggling with how to describe race in a fantasy story and it's hard that most of the characters are not white. This post really helps. I think in Liar she pretty much states that she’s Black with nappy hair that she wears short and natural. I think it’s appropriate, at least for me, because that’s how I would describe my hair as well. Curly is something I’d say to someone who doesn’t know what nappy is. Apparently nappy in British means a diaper.

Thank you for this post. I’ve been struggling with how to describe race in a fantasy story and it’s hard that most of the characters are not white. This post really helps.

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]]> By: Lyn South http://sjaejones.com/blog/2010/coffee-chocolate-and-cream/comment-page-1/#comment-1093 Lyn South Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:45:00 +0000 http://sjaejones.com/?p=3921#comment-1093 I love your insights, JJ. You've helped me to begin thinking through how I will handle descriptions of race and culture in my current WIP. I'm going to Tweet this right now. Thanks! I love your insights, JJ. You’ve helped me to begin thinking through how I will handle descriptions of race and culture in my current WIP. I’m going to Tweet this right now. Thanks!

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